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| Staffing Levels in State Correctional Facilities in Question |
They are consolidating many jobs in the State Prison System. NYS Parole has
been absorbed by the now called DOCCS Department of Corrections and Community
Services. Facility Parole Officers and Correction Counselors are now called
Offender Rehabilitation Coordinators. They are currently learning both job
duties, the transitions has been planned but moving slowly.
Correctional Officer shortages has been held at bay with the consolidation
of dorms across the state. The next few years should bring us to the major
expansion that occurred 25 years ago. Many officers could retire with 25 years
of service. This maybe a problem for the department.
Journal Staffing
28 comments:
Perfect time to privatize and outsource the CO function and streamline a bloated system . when the first instance employees retire then initiate the conversion . this is an Opportunity NOT a problem
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We don't have a whole lot left in Northern New York. Many great families depend on the prisons for their main incomes. What ever it takes, get behind the employees that staff these facilities and support them 150% They are our neighbors and friends.
Its unfortunate but most of cant afford the tqxes now.. With their inflated salaries time off galore,sick time and then pension we pay for years to come WE CANNOT AFFORD THEM. I believe privatize them soon.
Its hard to believe that anyone would want to support this system as it is now run.. Its retirement along costs millions of dollars we dont have now.. In negotiating the state should be taking bck the retirement at any age after 25 years.. These guys can retire at46 years old for gods sake and we have to pay them for years.. Come on folks lets get real about this issue... Other states have privatized and its worked very well why cant we do it.. Patty Ritchie is supportive of an attempt to privatize as loang as the current employees are takena aboard, we should back her effort..
there is no doubt that NYS spends well in excess of the national average on cost per prisoner . The system is too costly and must be either privatized or right sized and re- engineered to substantively reduce the cost of this boondoggle to the national average . the union has resisted and will continue to resist any and all attempts to bring cost into line withies rest of the nation .
We can no longer afford to pay these outrageous salaries , benefits and retirement for low to no skill jobs . Privatize or automate and re allocate the savings to higher MORE value added public programs .
The prisons in Ogdensburg are half full at best. Time to close at least one of them, they are a waste of taxpayer dollars.
It never ceases to amaze me that Democratic operatives spend their time on this blog smearing our prisons and attempting to undermine Patty Ritchie.
They want her gone so they can close our prisons, colleges and psychiatric center.
The prisons in Ogdensburg, Gouverneur and Jefferson County are the most cost effective prisons in New York State. Their employees have the best attendance, the least workman's compensation, the fewest inmate assaults, the least overtime, the best GED graduation, and consistently out perform the downstate prisons.
The best way to reduce costs is to close the expensive, poorly performing downstate prisons as Patty Ritchie has repeatedly told the Democrats. That's why they want her gone.
The prisons in Ogdensburg are part of the costliest system of corrections in the country . It is time to privatize especially as the wave of retirements that was threatened by the poster representing the system citing it as a problem ?? problem no , an opportunity to cut the recurring expenses and operate the system as a business .
The price for low skilled labor there is out of line since basically it is a warehouse function with no value added .
The same Democrats who put the drug dealers and criminals back on the streets so they could claim that our prisons were empty don't seem to grasp that our people walk the most dangerous beats in America.
We don't have to apologize for protecting society from those who need to be locked up.
As a previous poster pointed out, the best way to reduce costs is to close costly, inefficient downstate prisons in the New York City area that could sell for hundreds of millions of dollars. They sit on some of the most expensive real estate in the world.
We could build much more cost effective max joints in Northern New York, reducing the state's operating costs dramatically.
Real conservatives understand that the best way to reduce costs is to close inefficient facilities with poor workforces while moving operations to low cost areas like the North Country.
Democrats can't grasp basic economics.
Will the COs, CSEA and PEF stand up for Patty at Central Trades the way Patty stood up for them when the chips were down last year?
I hear the Democratic operatives are trying to block the endorsement.
It will be very sad if the rank and file whose jobs Patty Ritchie saved allow a few union big wigs to stab her in the back when she should be getting their help.
The question is whether the union big wigs work for the folks whose jobs were saved or the Democratic operatives who want to close NNY's prisons.
I have voted republican aAnd still feel that th COST ofq the prison system is exorbitant and as a conservative who believes in smaller government i feel very strongly that thNYS prison system is both inefficient , ineffective and cost prohibitive . the Unionists have dug in and are grasping at straws to justify their existence . their logic is more like liberals who feel that government must provide them with lifetime employment .
As a financial conservative I want the lowest possible cost and the rhighest degree of efficiency and effectiveness.
NYS should look for organizational alternatives and bring this system under control . I have yet to hear anything that justifies the maintenance of this outmoded and cost inefficient system any longer
I'll write slowly. Maybe you'll grasp it. The downstate prisons are the highest cost, least efficient facilities in the country. If you close them and sell them, the state makes hundreds of millions of dollars because they sit on th highest price real estate in the world.
You keep the low cost prisons open. Result is an overall reduction in costs.
I'll speak slowly so u grasp it . NYSE needs to get out of the business of providing high cost low value added lifetime employment to people with low skills and little education . NYS must. Use it's scarce resources and our tax dollars for more productive , value added services and programs THAT ADD TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR TAXPAYERS .
You want to do a warehouse job for executive wages and this my friend is no LONGER a VIABLE economic strategy .
Your insistence on seeing jail keepers as high value investments for taxpayers is inane. We can outsource this for less money and get the same or better results i
Conservatives seem to be all about cutting government spending and destroying public jobs except when it comes to mostly empty prisons and obsolete military bases. Do you guys stand for anything, or are you making this up as you go along?
Prisons do NOT add value , they are strictly OVERHEAD . They produce no product unlike schools which at least produce potential taxpayers . conservatives always look on the ROI (return on investment) and cost containment and the marginal propensity to at least add value .
low skill , high cost , no value - added services and or programs must begin to approach break even or be subsumed by less costly alternatives .
The same people are trying to protect Patty Ritchie.. Why> Shes been an asset to our area hasnt she.. She promised to cut taxes.. I havnt seen any yet but I havnt seen any new ones.. She voted against rasing taxes for millionaires.. She voted against the minimum wage increase so her rich constituants can keep their money.. Of course the poorer half of us dont need wage hikes... She voted against the star rebate by voting for the state budget.. After the budget was signed she voted to give the starr rebate program back to us but she forgot to give the means for financing it.. She was going to help end commissions and authoritites throughout the state but as soon as elected voted to keep the tug hill commission made up of Republicans in tact.. Yah Patty is real impressive..
Some of these COs make upwards of sixty thousand a year.. Most jobs in the private sector with the same amount of responsibility, and education needed and physical work invovled would pay between18,000 abd 21.000 ,,This needs to change.. Most COs retire by the time they are fifty.. Twelve years prior to any socail security kicks in but their retirement is more than the average NNY worker who is working forty hours plus.. Gues whos paying this.... Ritchie cant see this???? Oh I forgot she gets a pension form the state also.. Cos go to work after retirement to supplement their fund which creates many partime jobs in our area.. They take employment away from willing and hard working people who are on unemployment... Logically employeres hire these people because they dont have to pay bennifits because we are already paying to the benifits for them...
Only a moron cant see we need a change not only here in Ogdensburg but through the entire state...
The change is what Ritchie promised now we want it...
I have a lot of CO friends who started in the early to late 80's. Almost all have at least 25 years in. All are well over 50. Almost all are still working. No early retirements. Don't blow smoke. Use facts.
10:18 the salary and benefit cost exceeds the national average for prisons and the value added is NOT there .
NYS can no longer afford to invest in high cost/low value added services. It must reconfigure operations and cut cost
The amt of education required and the skill set required do not, read this carefully DO NOT MERIT the kind of salaries. benefits and retirement being paid to warehouse prisoners.
Privatize the system, cut the cost,eliminate featherbedding and enhance OTHER ,higher value state functions
Close unneeded prisons, decriminalize acts that aren't overtly harming our society - mostly vice and some drugs, and then lay off half of the police in the state. Then cut all the unnecessary military expenses and we'll be on our way to balanced budgets at every level of government.
Its very frustrating that I went to college and got an advanced degree. With all the student loans and taxes that I pay I am pretty much equal with my friends that became COs. Makes me wonder why I went to college when I could have done that and I would be half way to retirement,
1028.. I am using facts.. They have a twenty five year any age retirement. Teir four afforded them that.. Some of the older people may have opted not to enter that system and stayed in tier three which gives them extra time for each year they serve.. The newer officers get the twenty five plan and would be fools to stay on after that.. If your friends started in the early or late eightys they probably were in their thirtys when starting. The newer people are starting in their twentys... No smoke here.. I,ll bet they all drive nicer cars than you. I,ll bet they all laugh at you workingg five days a week while their in their pool or out in their boats.. The people are stating exactly what is going on. We are supporting a system that we cannot afford anymore. This system has to be privatized.
Byes the prison guards have PRICED themselves out of a job as more and more people with qualifications and degrees and high skill jobs continue to seeThe light . real skill and college degrees arenot required to be a guard
The economy has devastated others with superior educational backgrounds and skills while these guards have seen salaries benefits and retirement cost rise while adding no value to the economy or GNP . Privatize now
Enough already of the Prisons..
Any comment on the fact that Nelson, Cosmo and Smith had been witholding information from the rest of concil.
The facts are there, what are they going to do about it.. Its been ongoing for years and until now no one and I mean no one has stood up to the mayor and his regime in city hall. Ashley, Hosmer, Morley , Skamp and possibly Cilley have shown they have a mind of their own unlike in the past when Vaugh, Powers and others were merely a rubber stamp for Nelson..
This is how he operates, behind closed doors and behind everyone backs.. Cosmo is there because of Nelson and he reminds Phil daily and the Smith family and Nelsons are close friends.. There seems to be a chance we have a council not being led by the nose or the threat of (I have the votes_)...
We need to have the power of RECALL reinstituted in. NYS.
This would keep rogues in line .
Heres some interesting reading..
Doheny Criticisms of Owens are Hollow and Shrill”
Mr. Doheny with a favorability rating of 27% percent in a recent DCCC Poll shows his likeability level is in fact just as weak as Presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s, who also Polls with a 2 to 1 negative favorability rating nationally. What makes voters dislike these men so much? Well character is clearly and issue with these candidates, where questions about Matt Doheny acting like a frat boy a few days after his engagement to his current wife, won’t be easily dismissed and continue to hurt his Polling numbers.
The public's fear that Romney is another 'milk the system dry,’ while putting your profits overseas to avoid paying taxes, on the money you earned doesn’t play well with an overtaxed 'Middle Class' being denied modest wage increases. Each candidate has fired Americans and outsourced jobs. Matt having earned his money on Wall Street, by downsizing companies and also using outsourcing of jobs to increase profits hasn't helped his campaign in NY 21.
Doheny’s positions continue to fail to address Middle Class pocketbook issues. Doheny’s lack of any real alternative plan to effectively help Middle Class families, along with his lack of an alternative ‘Plan to Affordable Health Care,’ give his criticisms of Rep. Bill Owens a hollow shrill ring. Voters in NY 21 respect Congressman Owens and many feel Doheny's personal behavior is a disqualifier for office. And character just continues to count in NY 21.
Mike Flynn ‘Middle Class Mike’
YES 8/3 9:02 Blogger ...you are 95% correct on your thoughts that are actually factual.
Nelson is the problem !!!
Nelson ran everything with Powers,Vaugn and Ciley votes. When the shit hit the fan for the team of Nelson /Scorria ... the power heads ,egos and blame boys were divided.
Scorria had Vaugn and Scamperle under his thumb. As shown with their confusing behavior.
No information was ever given out to Sholette or Morley , the boys watching out for the people.
NOW ... Nelson has all HIS personal people on HIS boards?
.... on the Growth fund Board?....and every committee in the city !!!
Information will never go to any
other counclor unless Nelson has their vote in his pocket.
This is your problem Mr. Bill Nelson. You can not keep running the same play over and over again. Even all the republicans got your number. ALSO
Morley .. is not in your circle.
Scamp... hates you
Ashley.. is for thr taxpayers
Hosmer .. wants fairplay
Stevenson.. got you number and
Ciley chances are 50/50 for you.
Mr. Nelson
The Grand Slam of Running Ogdensburg is slowly melting down for you!
Just a COUNCIL SUPPORTER !!!!
9:08: Just Mike Morley crapping on everybody else in an effort to make himself look good. What's new?
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