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Friday, July 20, 2012
Journal:Ogdensburg housing administrator shelves rehabilitation grant applications
Now it is a breach of contract. What does the City want from these guys, IN or OUT!
20 comments:
Anonymous
said...
GOOD,,, GREAT,,,, HOORAY... No breach of contract there folks, lets go without the program for a year or so and make some solid rules concerning the direction the city will take.. In the mean time I am for the city having an independant audit done.. Councilman Ashley has made this comment and I fully back the thought.. While doing the audit the person or persons doing it should also keep an eye out for any conflict during the past with our city officals or their families.. I dont believe the city officals will allow this to happen because in my mind too much dirt will be surfaced about the appropriation of these funds and who got the advantage of them.. Even if you dont support the idea enough to attend meetings call a councilman and note the date and time you expressed your concerns about the audit .. In the meantime celebrate and dont get a yellow streak and let Augustine back in.....
Glad you are leaving town O'Neal. It was only a matter of time that you would have been put in jail. An Audit was coming and you knew it. You have taken to much money from our city grants. I hope someday to return the favor. Keep looking over your shoulder. You will not see it coming O'neal.
Well...Well...Well...We have heard from our city councilors blaming someone else as usual. If you folks are so competent and wonderful to work with, why aren't there lots of candidates lining up for the city managers job?
It's just amazing the same guys who hired O'Neal in the first place are acting like they have no responsibility in this mess.
There is no grant money for Oberg this year and Oneil knows it.. Period end of conversation.. This is his ploy to get into play next year.. Hes busy in Waddington this year..
The Burg is just too much of a mess for the state/feds to want to fund. Founders Day looked a little thin, too - maybe the Fort Association should think twice before going after a nice family like the Roethels.
Okay, so what we have here is a council that needs counseling, a code enforcement officer that doesn’t enforce the code, a city mayor who lives. . . where? A comptroller who can’t comp, uninhabitable rehabs, and a city attorney who doesn’t know that the city charter requires him to attend each and every council meeting.
The truth is probably that the reputation among funding sources as a result of the leadership meltdown and all the dirty politics that surrounded it have made it very easy for the funding agencies to. Put ogdensburg on the back burner.
The one thing bureaucrats and public agencies abhor is negative publicity of ANY. Kind . Whether or not the ogdensburg is or isn't,t viable has little to do with itNOW . The appearance of controversy and weak leadership makes it VERY easy for funding agencies with limited resources to find OTHER less controversial and less politically volatile communities to support .
My guess is the Burg will be in this predicament UNTIL we elect NEW leadership and new administration free from any political controversy . I am be in left field on this but I doubt it .
You want grant money in Ogdensburg put to good use? Don't focus on housing - don't focus on the people of Ogdensburg at all yet.
How about a grant to convert the power plant by the psych center to biomass to produce cheaper energy for companies moving here? How about a wind farm to do the same?
How about investing in the port so it can accommodate more and bigger ships and cargo, and also containers?
How about giving the airport a bigger runway and providing air service to Montreal, Toronto and Buffalo? What about restoring the railroads so more trains can run and, possible, passenger rail will come in the future?
Why not invest in some better county-wide public transportation?
The Obama administration model is bringing manufacturing back in this country by investing in communities and infrastructure. Private sector hiring has surged over the past 2 years at the highest rate since the mid 1940's. Most of the job losses which keep unemployment high have been because of Republican cuts to local, state and federal government departments.
If we build industry back up in the north country, private companies will fix up the houses, there will be tax money to fill our potholes and our schools won't bleed teachers and services. Heck, we might even be able to afford the pensions for all of our retirees.
Let's see: Sciorra got in trouble partly because he POed the Wades. Let's watch and see what happens with the any new grant process. I bet the Wades will be first in line, and a word of advice: Pack your bags if you get in their way!
It’s always more! And bigger! Why not less, but high quality?
The seaway will save us! (1940’s)
The highway will save us! (1990’s)
The port will save us if we spend, spend, spend so that it can bring in more, more, more! (2010’s)
Since you mention the 1940’s, it was a character-building time. The old-timers still talk about the clothes and shoes that their parents patched, and how that poor-ness was really a kind of richness because everyone learned to pull together. They talk about how delicious the food was, when they could get it. They talk about the joy of sharing holidays when the object was sharing, not just getting. A backyard garden and a few chickens were luxuries beyond measure. Most people managed their own lives, generally without government intervention.
If an industry came, it came for other reasons besides the government grants it could get. It came because an enterprising individual or group had a good idea, and acted on it, because this was the place they had chosen to be, to live and work and to be a part of a community. They weren’t paid to come here, they chose this place without bribes or payoffs, because this was the place they wanted to be.
Any city can and should have big dreams, but they will go nowhere without a good foundation to hold them up. The truth is, because of books, and libraries with computers available for free, anyone can take his or her education as far as they might be inspired to go. They might not be able to “buy” a college degree, but their education can be as complete as they want it to be. A conventional “college degree” now means less than it ever has before, but learning is as important as it ever was.
Since the government has begun to micro-manage our lives, nearly all families are finding it necessary to have two full-time incomes to pay for all this micro-management. So, there’s nobody home to raise a family, demonstrate and discuss the art of living, grow the garden, wash and maybe even patch the clothes, make dinner, set the table, or any of the things that the old-timers say make life worth living. This isn’t a sexist statement, either parent could do these things. But the point is, somebody needs to do it. Is the way we live now “progress?” Most certainly not.
As we lose our skills in the art of living, we need more government programs to take the place of these skills that were lost. We need aid programs, food programs, medical, dental, and prescription programs, housing programs, school lunch and now breakfast programs too, job programs, and programs to let us dump our elders in homes because nobody is home to watch them anyway, and, oh yes, we need programs to make ever-larger payoffs to “industry” and “investors,” because without a big bribe, they won’t “create jobs” for us.
While we wait for the government to create cheap power (didn’t they try that in the 1950’s?), improve the port, expand the airport, restore the rails, provide county-wide transportation, and provide a college education for everyone that costs less than half-a-million dollars, maybe we should turn our focus inwards and ask ourselves this: what is it that makes a better life? And what can we do to help ourselves and our neighbors get there from here?
Hey Guys: Not to worry. We are in the capable hands of Morley and Ashley. Doesn't that make you feel warm all over as they are pissing on your leg and telling you its raining?
Wow 932AM...you are a real outside the box thinker...think about all of those great central plans Ogdensburg has in store for you..are you in line for the City Manager position, a good life can't be planned by government, it is made the old fashioned way, by earning it yourself and not by holding someone else under water while you do it....economic investment comes at a far greater cost than anyone realizes.....
A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.
Just look at this city council - hiding behind closed doors, breaking their promises and making the same mistakes in hiring a city manager they made 4 years ago hiring good ol' uncle Art. Ogdensburg is being run by the clowns marching in the Seaway Festival parade. They're a bunch of lying cowards being led by the stuffed turkey Big fat-ass Bill Nelson.
Who cares who the anonymous people posting on here are? I sincerely doubt that Robbins or any other Watertown reporter would waste their time posting on an Ogdensburg site. It is amazing that they've let Ogdensburg keep its paper.
You people are a joke. You know nothing about grants or how they work. You think the world revolves around Ogdensburg. Quick fact it doesn't. Have you ever wondered why you can't move forward? Its because everyone is in everyone elses buisness and you are so worried that someone else may do something right and get some credit you screw it up yourselves. O'neal has worked across the state with a glowing resume. Just because a couple of losers from Canton start some bad blood, you react like vultures.The fact is the state has already been to Ogdensburg and has found no problem with what has taken place by O'neal. Open you eyes, the rest of the county is leaving your city in the dust and I say good for them. Quit being so self centered and maybe someday you will be back to the city you once were. I doubt it!!
20 comments:
GOOD,,, GREAT,,,, HOORAY...
No breach of contract there folks, lets go without the program for a year or so and make some solid rules concerning the direction the city will take.. In the mean time I am for the city having an independant audit done.. Councilman Ashley has made this comment and I fully back the thought.. While doing the audit the person or persons doing it should also keep an eye out for any conflict during the past with our city officals or their families..
I dont believe the city officals will allow this to happen because in my mind too much dirt will be surfaced about the appropriation of these funds and who got the advantage of them.. Even if you dont support the idea enough to attend meetings call a councilman and note the date and time you expressed your concerns about the audit ..
In the meantime celebrate and dont get a yellow streak and let Augustine back in.....
Glad you are leaving town O'Neal. It was only a matter of time that you would have been put in jail. An Audit was coming and you knew it. You have taken to much money from our city grants. I hope someday to return the favor. Keep looking over your shoulder. You will not see it coming O'neal.
Well...Well...Well...We have heard from our city councilors blaming someone else as usual. If you folks are so competent and wonderful to work with, why aren't there lots of candidates lining up for the city managers job?
It's just amazing the same guys who hired O'Neal in the first place are acting like they have no responsibility in this mess.
There is no grant money for Oberg this year and Oneil knows it.. Period end of conversation.. This is his ploy to get into play next year.. Hes busy in Waddington this year..
The Burg is just too much of a mess for the state/feds to want to fund.
Founders Day looked a little thin, too - maybe the Fort Association should think twice before going after a nice family like the Roethels.
Okay, so what we have here is a council that needs counseling, a code enforcement officer that doesn’t enforce the code, a city mayor who lives. . . where? A comptroller who can’t comp, uninhabitable rehabs, and a city attorney who doesn’t know that the city charter requires him to attend each and every council meeting.
The truth is probably that the reputation among funding sources as a result of the leadership meltdown and all the dirty politics that surrounded it have made it very easy for the funding agencies to. Put ogdensburg on the back burner.
The one thing bureaucrats and public agencies abhor is negative publicity of ANY. Kind . Whether or not the ogdensburg is or isn't,t viable has little to do with itNOW . The appearance of controversy and weak leadership makes it VERY easy for funding agencies with limited resources to find OTHER less controversial and less politically volatile communities to support .
My guess is the Burg will be in this predicament UNTIL we elect NEW leadership and new administration free from any political controversy . I am be in left field on this but I doubt it .
You want grant money in Ogdensburg put to good use? Don't focus on housing - don't focus on the people of Ogdensburg at all yet.
How about a grant to convert the power plant by the psych center to biomass to produce cheaper energy for companies moving here? How about a wind farm to do the same?
How about investing in the port so it can accommodate more and bigger ships and cargo, and also containers?
How about giving the airport a bigger runway and providing air service to Montreal, Toronto and Buffalo? What about restoring the railroads so more trains can run and, possible, passenger rail will come in the future?
Why not invest in some better county-wide public transportation?
The Obama administration model is bringing manufacturing back in this country by investing in communities and infrastructure. Private sector hiring has surged over the past 2 years at the highest rate since the mid 1940's. Most of the job losses which keep unemployment high have been because of Republican cuts to local, state and federal government departments.
If we build industry back up in the north country, private companies will fix up the houses, there will be tax money to fill our potholes and our schools won't bleed teachers and services. Heck, we might even be able to afford the pensions for all of our retirees.
Let's see: Sciorra got in trouble partly because he POed the Wades. Let's watch and see what happens with the any new grant process. I bet the Wades will be first in line, and a word of advice: Pack your bags if you get in their way!
It’s always more! And bigger! Why not less, but high quality?
The seaway will save us! (1940’s)
The highway will save us! (1990’s)
The port will save us if we spend, spend, spend so that it can bring in more, more, more! (2010’s)
Since you mention the 1940’s, it was a character-building time. The old-timers still talk about the clothes and shoes that their parents patched, and how that poor-ness was really a kind of richness because everyone learned to pull together. They talk about how delicious the food was, when they could get it. They talk about the joy of sharing holidays when the object was sharing, not just getting. A backyard garden and a few chickens were luxuries beyond measure. Most people managed their own lives, generally without government intervention.
If an industry came, it came for other reasons besides the government grants it could get. It came because an enterprising individual or group had a good idea, and acted on it, because this was the place they had chosen to be, to live and work and to be a part of a community. They weren’t paid to come here, they chose this place without bribes or payoffs, because this was the place they wanted to be.
Any city can and should have big dreams, but they will go nowhere without a good foundation to hold them up. The truth is, because of books, and libraries with computers available for free, anyone can take his or her education as far as they might be inspired to go. They might not be able to “buy” a college degree, but their education can be as complete as they want it to be. A conventional “college degree” now means less than it ever has before, but learning is as important as it ever was.
Since the government has begun to micro-manage our lives, nearly all families are finding it necessary to have two full-time incomes to pay for all this micro-management. So, there’s nobody home to raise a family, demonstrate and discuss the art of living, grow the garden, wash and maybe even patch the clothes, make dinner, set the table, or any of the things that the old-timers say make life worth living. This isn’t a sexist statement, either parent could do these things. But the point is, somebody needs to do it. Is the way we live now “progress?” Most certainly not.
As we lose our skills in the art of living, we need more government programs to take the place of these skills that were lost. We need aid programs, food programs, medical, dental, and prescription programs, housing programs, school lunch and now breakfast programs too, job programs, and programs to let us dump our elders in homes because nobody is home to watch them anyway, and, oh yes, we need programs to make ever-larger payoffs to “industry” and “investors,” because without a big bribe, they won’t “create jobs” for us.
While we wait for the government to create cheap power (didn’t they try that in the 1950’s?), improve the port, expand the airport, restore the rails, provide county-wide transportation, and provide a college education for everyone that costs less than half-a-million dollars, maybe we should turn our focus inwards and ask ourselves this: what is it that makes a better life? And what can we do to help ourselves and our neighbors get there from here?
Better lives don't come from neighborliness or small-town handwringing, they come from central planning, economic investment and growth.
Hey Guys: Not to worry. We are in the capable hands of Morley and Ashley. Doesn't that make you feel warm all over as they are pissing on your leg and telling you its raining?
Wow 932AM...you are a real outside the box thinker...think about all of those great central plans Ogdensburg has in store for you..are you in line for the City Manager position, a good life can't be planned by government, it is made the old fashioned way, by earning it yourself and not by holding someone else under water while you do it....economic investment comes at a far greater cost than anyone realizes.....
A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.
Thomas Jefferson
1639 - the idea that small government and low taxes generate business and promote freedom is a logical fallacy. Just ask the people of Somalia.
Just look at this city council - hiding behind closed doors, breaking their promises and making the same mistakes in hiring a city manager they made 4 years ago hiring good ol' uncle Art. Ogdensburg is being run by the clowns marching in the Seaway Festival parade. They're a bunch of lying cowards being led by the stuffed turkey Big fat-ass Bill Nelson.
Whoever wrote 12:19 knew what was in the paper before it even was printed, because that is well before print time.
9:03 AM has to be Chris Robbins. You've been outed.
Who cares who the anonymous people posting on here are? I sincerely doubt that Robbins or any other Watertown reporter would waste their time posting on an Ogdensburg site. It is amazing that they've let Ogdensburg keep its paper.
You people are a joke. You know nothing about grants or how they work. You think the world revolves around Ogdensburg. Quick fact it doesn't. Have you ever wondered why you can't move forward? Its because everyone is in everyone elses buisness and you are so worried that someone else may do something right and get some credit you screw it up yourselves.
O'neal has worked across the state with a glowing resume. Just because a couple of losers from Canton start some bad blood, you react like vultures.The fact is the state has already been to Ogdensburg and has found no problem with what has taken place by O'neal. Open you eyes, the rest of the county is leaving your city in the dust and I say good for them. Quit being so self centered and maybe someday you will be back to the city you once were. I doubt it!!
Thanks for the comment O'Niel.
You finally put into words what you've always felt. Just call all of the city council fools.
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