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Sunday, May 5, 2013
Journal:St. Lawrence County changes budget system
Will the Senate and Assembly invoke home rule legislation to increase sales tax to 4%. I think it should be State wide and everyone would be on the same page.
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The only reason we dont have it is Senator Ritchie.. Of course it should be a state wide thing. ONly an idiot or a politican would believe we shouldnt have the higher tax. This is an issue only because Ritchie dosnt want to lose face and propose a new tax after her grandstanding no new taxes. The present group of elected officals must also put their nose to the grind and make some more tough choices. Our Sheriff road patrol is only a luxurary. Can we afford it?? I dont think so.. Can we afford all of the extra programs provided by the County?? I dont think so.. Whatever they do they must decide and do quickly and then hold to it. Their dept heads will not assist them with these choices so any job thats not mandated must be cut.. Once cutting these jobs and a budget established jobs can be put back in to a budget accordingly to thought and common sense.. Lets quit talking and lets start walking the talk legislators.. ALso time for Ritchie to quit being led by the nose and do something constructive.
Again you are quick to attack the sheriff's office road patrol. Have you ever looked at any other department in the county system? Why don't you take some time and look at the employee's at DOSS. The sick time abuse in that deoartment is out of control. Check out the corupition in that department. Look who has a relative getting entitlments and how easy they got it. The sheriff road patrol cost each tax payer very little. Look at some of the other department. Do you know that the county pay's %80 of the workman compensation insurance for all the towns and villages in the county. Check that out a see how that is abused. If you are from Ogdensburg that would be a good place to start. There have been police officer there on workman comp. for years. They can't work because of a on the job injury, but they sure enjoy life. So before you start bring up the sheriff office take a look at see where real money can be cut. I have many other place where cuts can be made other then the road patrol. Do your home work and check those out.
1230.. You bring up many good points. Doss yes they abuse sick time. there are several and I mean sevaeral employees taking time then not turning requests in accordingly. There are employees using sick time during the week then working on Saturday or Sunday and getting comp time and overtime which is totally wrong. There are employees using sick time for relatives living in other cities or states even which I can safely assume is not the intent of sick time or what you call family sick time.. Employees come in late there every day and thats documented by the county managers office. That entire dept is mandated however so that trouble lays with the administration and the supervisors who are failing us entirely. The Sheriffs road patrol is a findge benefit we cannot afford anymore. Its time to cut your investigative unit and turn your felonies over to the State Police. Your transports to dotorss and court can be handled by your jail staff. Compensation being paid by the county is troublesome to some but not me.. Most of these towns and villages have volunteer rescue workers and firemen that get that benefit if injured while on duty. If the County dosnt help pay it chances are the smaller municipalities would not have this service. You cant expect people to volunteer their lives and working careers without some type of compensatio coverage.. How man Sheriffs are off due to work related injouries and never return and are getting comp benefits? We could cut that figure by at least half by eliminating the road patrol.. I understand if yuou get hurt while on duty you get full pay not half pay like most of us.. I can totally understnad your concern for you job. What incentive would anyone have to return to work if they recieved full pay and benefits while home sick or faking no mateer which..... Is that true do you get full pay.. Pleas take time and answer that question...
It is state wide with the exception , of three counties I believe. Its not even realistic to deny this request yet its being denied by three Republican Senators who refuse so far to endorse it. For years the Republicans ruled in this County and we can see where it got us. It was a Republican legislator that went back on his word with the Sheriffs union and caused a reckless and signifigant unfair labor charge which resulted in a very substantial raise to the correctional people.. Time for the republicans in this county including the ones now on the board to quit worrying about the rich and the business well to do and work on getting some relief for us that work every day for minimual wges and bennies.. Its certainly time for these three Republican Senators to help their consituants and up to the board of legislators carry through on their promise of fical responsibility in this county. The above two commentators have the right idea.. Clean up the abuse by employees. Make dept heads responsible for their supervisors shorcomings.. Cut non mandated jobs and add manpower where needed if needed...
Let me clarify what I said above. The Republicans were the Bush administration allowed this country as a whole to collapse economically. I did not mean at a local level. Your right about the surplus during a republican majority up here but the democrats had to spend it to maintain the services they have now because of the national collapse. they should have addressed the cutbacks and eliminations much sooner however.
Closing the Psyc Center will be a disaster for our upstate and local economy. The list of three from what I have heard will be announced soon and the rumor mill has Ogdensburg slated closed for early next year. Our Senator when she was running was acitve daily making comments and getting involved when the prisons were in jeapordy but now thats she is elected not so much.. I talked last night to a group of the prison bunch and their attitude is SO WHAT... nOW that the shoe is on the other foot not much involvment is there. Wheres Nelson.. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.. Hes elected and safe for a couple more years.. Russell has been doing very little either...
1230 wouldnt answer by question so lets be clear.. If a deputy gets injured while on duty he gets full pay.. If a deputy never goes back to work he will get a settlement from the County in the neighborhood of 130000 plus his social security benefits and a disability pension all paid for by taxpayers. One such case in the last five or six years resulted in such a settlement. NOw the deputy is woeking his own business in the County in trucking.. Imagine trucking when he couldnt drive a patrol car... A deputy gets very good wages all paid for by the taxpayers A deputy gets hazardous pay a form of longevity about two dollars an hours. A deputy gets longevity pay during different fazes of his career built into his salary A deputy gets vacation and lots of it.. A deputy gets personal time A deputy gets sick time and if hes a good boy or girl and dosnt use any he gets upwards of two thousdan dollars bonus for it.. A deputy writes his own overtime ticket and gets compensation time for it if he wants which he can use anytime he wants This is why many people want the road patrol done away with.. Just not the right ones yet. Pretty expensive bunch of employees considering the service we get from them.
Nice to see someone finally getting on the ball over the psyc center. New task force formed with the same old names on it... Hope they can acomplish something but I,m afraid whatever will be will be.. Decisions have been amde just pray its not us. Read where Ritchie finally got on board.. Rest sure the Republicans surely will block it and be sure Ritchie and the other two Senators got permissjion only after enough votes to block it were secured.. Addie Russell stood tall for this County on that one while the rest ran and hid.. Addie however needs to stop being a pawn of downstate on other issues.. Thats the biggest problem we face up here in the North. Ritchie and Addie vote with and are influenced all to much by the NYC dems or the Staten Island rich Reps..
4:12 I don't know where you got your information, a lot of what you have in your paragraph is wrong. I deouty is the lowest paid police officer in the county. A deputy does not get any longevity pay. A deputy gets about the same vacation as evry other county employee. A deputy gets only three personal days a year.
A deputy does get sick time and if the deputy doesn't abuse it he does get a check in December. But unlike other department in the county there is very little sick time abuse on the road patrol side.The bouns on the road side is less than a $1,000 a year. All overtime a deputy gets must be approved by a supervisor.Nobody writes there own. The sheriff department makes more drug arrest then any othe agency in the county. Also percapita the deputies answer more complaints then any other agency, and you asre paying them less then other agency. get yous facts right.A lot what you have written pretains to the C.O. that work in the jail. There your right answer.
If Patty Richie doesn't get the sale's tax increase for St. Lawrence county, and allows the psyc center in Ogdensburg to be closed. I hope that the voter's in this county take note and vote her out. I believe that she is in over her head right now.
Your answer is funny 412.. A deputy does get longevity.. Its built into their wages so your being sly... Deputy only gets three personal days but lots and lots of comp time days.. eleven or twleve holidays with triple time on some of them if you work.. Also I,m told your hazardous pay is longevity.. It was put into the contract years ago that way so the CSEA UNION wouldnt ask for it.. If its not so why do your cooks and office staff get it also>> Also im told you have steps built into your contract so at certain levels in years you get more money... Learn the history of your contract .. You are the lowest paid because you really are not mandated and the Sheriffs over the years built their own little empires buy putting road patrols into their countires... Many and I mean many counties do not have road patrols and get along just fine with SP and local police.. If the localities in our county need law enforcemnt let them pay for their own as Norwood does.. Why do so many cars get to go home for personal use sir?? You get twenty year retirement and at age forty or forty one you can go to work somewhere else and get paid by me and earn another pension to get paid by me later... Thats my problem... My facts are correct as stated read your contract and try and understand how extremely lucky you are to have a job Also I have looked at the jail side of the ledger and thats full of abuse that the Sheriff must address.. Until we get Ritchie off her a-- and influence someone to relieve some of these state mandates the legislators here cant do much..
Jail staff is trained peace officers. Why are they not doing the majority of the transports especially to those inmates sentenced there>? It involves protecting your turf. The sheriff does things the way he does to protect the image of having to transport inmates to the legislators and keep his road in tact.. Why are the road patrol serving papers when he has three deputies to serve them in the civil division>> Again protecting his turf.. I can find a few mandates for the Sheriff for the jail people but can find none for the road patrol. I can see specifc mandates the civil division does now but one would believe management could arrange to do these mandates in some other manner because no law I see mandates a civil division.. Possibly the Sheriffs expert could help on that one..
The sheriffs make more drug arrests than any other agency in the county... Thats a broad bloated statement if not a lie... Theres days the Sheirffs claim only one deputy is available. The Sheriff himself claims his peop;e are tied up in court and making transports. Whos exagerating the Sheriff or the blogger Mr. Obrien...How can they make more drug arrests.. Oh I forgot yes they have a hemp field in Lisbon that grows back every year and they raid it after notifying media.. They stake it out a catch a few kids picking the hemp thinking it is mary jane, bluff them into pleading guilty to something...
Another delay with Mr. Ma and his phony school.. Pure and simple its Chinese investments of our tax dollars we give China. Buy up all the property give it a dream, label and a depressed area buys into it.. Nice though that the Chadwick agency is making money also... What happened to the Chinese resturant.. Another dream.. I heaR THE LOcal resturnat already looked into renting the Scholetts space and was met with a preposterous offer...... United helpers cedars.. Hmmmmm lets see... Probably going to bring over Chinese pervs and sentence them to community service in Ogdensburg and surrounding area.. They will reside at the old cedars facility..
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The only reason we dont have it is Senator Ritchie.. Of course it should be a state wide thing. ONly an idiot or a politican would believe we shouldnt have the higher tax.
This is an issue only because Ritchie dosnt want to lose face and propose a new tax after her grandstanding no new taxes.
The present group of elected officals must also put their nose to the grind and make some more tough choices.
Our Sheriff road patrol is only a luxurary. Can we afford it?? I dont think so.. Can we afford all of the extra programs provided by the County?? I dont think so..
Whatever they do they must decide and do quickly and then hold to it. Their dept heads will not assist them with these choices so any job thats not mandated must be cut.. Once cutting these jobs and a budget established jobs can be put back in to a budget accordingly to thought and common sense..
Lets quit talking and lets start walking the talk legislators.. ALso time for Ritchie to quit being led by the nose and do something constructive.
Again you are quick to attack the sheriff's office road patrol. Have you ever looked at any other department in the county system? Why don't you take some time and look at the employee's at DOSS. The sick time abuse in that deoartment is out of control. Check out the corupition in that department. Look who has a relative getting entitlments and how easy they got it. The sheriff road patrol cost each tax payer very little. Look at some of the other department. Do you know that the county pay's %80 of the workman compensation insurance for all the towns and villages in the county. Check that out a see how that is abused. If you are from Ogdensburg that would be a good place to start. There have been police officer there on workman comp. for years. They can't work because of a on the job injury, but they sure enjoy life. So before you start bring up the sheriff office take a look at see where real money can be cut.
I have many other place where cuts can be made other then the road patrol. Do your home work and check those out.
1230.. You bring up many good points. Doss yes they abuse sick time. there are several and I mean sevaeral employees taking time then not turning requests in accordingly. There are employees using sick time during the week then working on Saturday or Sunday and getting comp time and overtime which is totally wrong. There are employees using sick time for relatives living in other cities or states even which I can safely assume is not the intent of sick time or what you call family sick time.. Employees come in late there every day and thats documented by the county managers office. That entire dept is mandated however so that trouble lays with the administration and the supervisors who are failing us entirely.
The Sheriffs road patrol is a findge benefit we cannot afford anymore. Its time to cut your investigative unit and turn your felonies over to the State Police. Your transports to dotorss and court can be handled by your jail staff.
Compensation being paid by the county is troublesome to some but not me.. Most of these towns and villages have volunteer rescue workers and firemen that get that benefit if injured while on duty. If the County dosnt help pay it chances are the smaller municipalities would not have this service. You cant expect people to volunteer their lives and working careers without some type of compensatio coverage..
How man Sheriffs are off due to work related injouries and never return and are getting comp benefits? We could cut that figure by at least half by eliminating the road patrol.. I understand if yuou get hurt while on duty you get full pay not half pay like most of us.. I can totally understnad your concern for you job. What incentive would anyone have to return to work if they recieved full pay and benefits while home sick or faking no mateer which..... Is that true do you get full pay.. Pleas take time and answer that question...
It is state wide with the exception , of three counties I believe. Its not even realistic to deny this request yet its being denied by three Republican Senators who refuse so far to endorse it.
For years the Republicans ruled in this County and we can see where it got us. It was a Republican legislator that went back on his word with the Sheriffs union and caused a reckless and signifigant unfair labor charge which resulted in a very substantial raise to the correctional people..
Time for the republicans in this county including the ones now on the board to quit worrying about the rich and the business well to do and work on getting some relief for us that work every day for minimual wges and bennies..
Its certainly time for these three Republican Senators to help their consituants and up to the board of legislators carry through on their promise of fical responsibility in this county.
The above two commentators have the right idea.. Clean up the abuse by employees. Make dept heads responsible for their supervisors shorcomings.. Cut non mandated jobs and add manpower where needed if needed...
When the Republicans were in power there was a huge surplus. When the Dems got control, they spent every penny.
Let me clarify what I said above. The Republicans were the Bush administration allowed this country as a whole to collapse economically. I did not mean at a local level. Your right about the surplus during a republican majority up here but the democrats had to spend it to maintain the services they have now because of the national collapse. they should have addressed the cutbacks and eliminations much sooner however.
Closing the Psyc Center will be a disaster for our upstate and local economy.
The list of three from what I have heard will be announced soon and the rumor mill has Ogdensburg slated closed for early next year.
Our Senator when she was running was acitve daily making comments and getting involved when the prisons were in jeapordy but now thats she is elected not so much..
I talked last night to a group of the prison bunch and their attitude is SO WHAT... nOW that the shoe is on the other foot not much involvment is there. Wheres Nelson.. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.. Hes elected and safe for a couple more years.. Russell has been doing very little either...
1230 wouldnt answer by question so lets be clear..
If a deputy gets injured while on duty he gets full pay.. If a deputy never goes back to work he will get a settlement from the County in the neighborhood of 130000 plus his social security benefits and a disability pension all paid for by taxpayers. One such case in the last five or six years resulted in such a settlement. NOw the deputy is woeking his own business in the County in trucking.. Imagine trucking when he couldnt drive a patrol car...
A deputy gets very good wages all paid for by the taxpayers
A deputy gets hazardous pay a form of longevity about two dollars an hours.
A deputy gets longevity pay during different fazes of his career built into his salary
A deputy gets vacation and lots of it..
A deputy gets personal time
A deputy gets sick time and if hes a good boy or girl and dosnt use any he gets upwards of two thousdan dollars bonus for it..
A deputy writes his own overtime ticket and gets compensation time for it if he wants which he can use anytime he wants
This is why many people want the road patrol done away with.. Just not the right ones yet.
Pretty expensive bunch of employees considering the service we get from them.
Nice to see someone finally getting on the ball over the psyc center. New task force formed with the same old names on it... Hope they can acomplish something but I,m afraid whatever will be will be.. Decisions have been amde just pray its not us.
Read where Ritchie finally got on board.. Rest sure the Republicans surely will block it and be sure Ritchie and the other two Senators got permissjion only after enough votes to block it were secured..
Addie Russell stood tall for this County on that one while the rest ran and hid.. Addie however needs to stop being a pawn of downstate on other issues..
Thats the biggest problem we face up here in the North. Ritchie and Addie vote with and are influenced all to much by the NYC dems or the Staten Island rich Reps..
4:12 I don't know where you got your information, a lot of what you have in your paragraph is wrong. I deouty is the lowest paid police officer in the county.
A deputy does not get any longevity pay.
A deputy gets about the same vacation as evry other county employee.
A deputy gets only three personal days a year.
A deputy does get sick time and if the deputy doesn't abuse it he does get a check in December. But unlike other department in the county there
is very little sick time abuse on the road patrol side.The bouns on the road side is less than a $1,000 a year. All overtime a deputy gets must be approved by a supervisor.Nobody writes there own.
The sheriff department makes more drug arrest then any othe agency in the county. Also percapita the deputies answer more complaints then any other agency, and you asre paying them less then other agency. get yous facts right.A lot what you have written pretains to the C.O. that work in the jail. There your right answer.
If Patty Richie doesn't get the sale's tax increase for St. Lawrence county, and allows the psyc center in Ogdensburg to be closed. I hope that the voter's in this county take note and vote her out. I believe that she is in over her head right now.
Your answer is funny 412..
A deputy does get longevity.. Its built into their wages so your being sly... Deputy only gets three personal days but lots and lots of comp time days.. eleven or twleve holidays with triple time on some of them if you work.. Also I,m told your hazardous pay is longevity.. It was put into the contract years ago that way so the CSEA UNION wouldnt ask for it.. If its not so why do your cooks and office staff get it also>> Also im told you have steps built into your contract so at certain levels in years you get more money... Learn the history of your contract .. You are the lowest paid because you really are not mandated and the Sheriffs over the years built their own little empires buy putting road patrols into their countires... Many and I mean many counties do not have road patrols and get along just fine with SP and local police.. If the localities in our county need law enforcemnt let them pay for their own as Norwood does..
Why do so many cars get to go home for personal use sir?? You get twenty year retirement and at age forty or forty one you can go to work somewhere else and get paid by me and earn another pension to get paid by me later... Thats my problem...
My facts are correct as stated read your contract and try and understand how extremely lucky you are to have a job
Also I have looked at the jail side of the ledger and thats full of abuse that the Sheriff must address.. Until we get Ritchie off her a-- and influence someone to relieve some of these state mandates the legislators here cant do much..
Jail staff is trained peace officers. Why are they not doing the majority of the transports especially to those inmates sentenced there>?
It involves protecting your turf. The sheriff does things the way he does to protect the image of having to transport inmates to the legislators and keep his road in tact.. Why are the road patrol serving papers when he has three deputies to serve them in the civil division>> Again protecting his turf..
I can find a few mandates for the Sheriff for the jail people but can find none for the road patrol.
I can see specifc mandates the civil division does now but one would believe management could arrange to do these mandates in some other manner because no law I see mandates a civil division..
Possibly the Sheriffs expert could help on that one..
The sheriffs make more drug arrests than any other agency in the county... Thats a broad bloated statement if not a lie...
Theres days the Sheirffs claim only one deputy is available. The Sheriff himself claims his peop;e are tied up in court and making transports.
Whos exagerating the Sheriff or the blogger Mr. Obrien...How can they make more drug arrests..
Oh I forgot yes they have a hemp field in Lisbon that grows back every year and they raid it after notifying media.. They stake it out a catch a few kids picking the hemp thinking it is mary jane, bluff them into pleading guilty to something...
Another delay with Mr. Ma and his phony school.. Pure and simple its Chinese investments of our tax dollars we give China. Buy up all the property give it a dream, label and a depressed area buys into it.. Nice though that the Chadwick agency is making money also...
What happened to the Chinese resturant.. Another dream.. I heaR THE LOcal resturnat already looked into renting the Scholetts space and was met with a preposterous offer......
United helpers cedars.. Hmmmmm lets see... Probably going to bring over Chinese pervs and sentence them to community service in Ogdensburg and surrounding area.. They will reside at the old cedars facility..
CULT PLAIN AND SIMPLE.. You all bought into their smoke screen and now you will pay..
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