The sheriff's road patrol has came out in full force to save
their jobs, it would be expected. They are lobbying the voters to call their
legislators. Sometimes you should be careful
of what you ask for. With an abundance
of State Troopers, Park Police, and other agencies in the area due to the
proximity of the boarder, we may be over patrolled. Many of the voters may support the
legislature's cost cutting measures.
This will be a tough battle and the county needs to look
hard at their budget. Taxes are already
too high and I believe if they have to raise taxes it should be the sales tax
to equal adjacent counties. A few dollars to all or 20% to the property
owners...people will forced from their homes.
Oburg.
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CUT THEM TO THE BARE BONE... THEY were given the oppurtunity to share ideas on potential cuts and refused to help.. Obrien gave a press conference last week and mislead what really happend at negotiations.. They will be getting an increase in pay but not a raise in salary.. At least be honest when making a presentation.
I believe other cuts should come from other departments that have non mandated jobs also....
The legislators should give Sheriff a set budget period.. If and when he uses it for that year instead of taking money from elsewhere suspend all operation on the road patrol at that time.. If thats not considered logical then
A. Cut all overtime except emergency
B. Cut the detective division by one
C. Cut the road patrol by two
D. Cut thejuvenile by one
E. Cut the civil by one
F. Cut the jail by one
E. Jail does all transporting of inmates
F. Suspend the midnight road patrol activity by two or three nights week.
G. Cut the boat patrol activity
H. Cut snowmobile activity
I was told the other day a fact that I cannot verify.. I was told on day shift alone, We have the Sheriff, UnderSheriff, Jail Administraotr, Civil head, Three detective Sgts, one juvenile Sgt, one or two road sgts, one or two jail sgts to supervise as little as one road officer...WHY? Is this true? I hope our legislators check into this story, If this is true it seems that someone should be working another shift to help the supervisors on that shift...
I do not feel the Sheriffs alone should feel the burden of layoffs but eacha nd every department should be screeded carefully.
CUT the sheriffs department and get on with it ! There are no longer ANY sacred cows . In THIS economy Sacred Cows make the BEST Burgers!
You people are so misimformed about the sheriff's office as well as county goverment. You like most people want to balance the budget on the employee's back. The problem is medicaid the system needs to be reformed. If NYS won't do it,then reform should start at the county level. If the BOL would step up it could be done and it would save the taxpayer millions. You people should go after those people not the county employee who is also a taxpayer.
What about your retirement and health insurance forever? Did you forget to mention those. Cut them all and move on. The troopers are hiring again and there has to be 3 times the number in this area there was 20 years ago.
Taxpayer 76 County employee's don't get free health insurance up on retirement. They pay for it, as far as that goes they pay for family coverage while they work. There are not 3 times as many troopeer in the area as there were 20 years ago. This is not a trooper vs. deputy issue. As I said before it is the entitlement system that is the cause of this budget not the county employee. Reform the welfare system and start it at the county level, as you can see NYS is not going to do it.
I think you will be very surprised in number of troopers today as opposed to 20 years ago, but believe what you wish. Now health insurance? When you say you pay for it are we talking 10-20 bucks bi weekly and 100+- for family. If so that is not paying for it that is stealing. Go into the real world an find out what non gov't people pay, once again u will be very surprised. Know many troopers who consider road patrol high priced taxi drivers, just saying.
It isn't stealing, it is providing adequate living conditions. Private companies should be mandated to provide the same level of insurance and retirement to their workers. To do otherwise is exploitation.
See this s a mentality of entitlement crap. If private sector did what you propose they would all be broke then we could all depend on the gov't. You cannot have rational conversations with unionized gov't employees and will never be able to. Enjoy your retirement on all our backs.
Little do you know about law enforcement period. Deputies do more then provide a taxi service as you say. I'm not a big union person, and i'm not retired. I do work for the county as far as that goes I have worked two jobs my entire life. Maybe you should get atleast get one so you will stay off the computer,and stop voicing your gutles opinon about working people.
And I wish you luck with your dance studio and your wifes support. Working people some of you are but most not... Sheriffs road officers seem to engage in a who can get the most overtime to apply for time off thing.. Comp time applied for personal time endless sick time and whatever elese you can get into.. You didnt take raises in salary this year and you thing this is putting in your part.. How much longevity will you get next contract.. Some at least 2thousand and more some a little less.. Then your new step system.. Six ot eight hundred at different levels. Yah man thats a union for you... When you started running this union it went downhill..
I like sitting on the computer giving my gutless opinion when it upsets the likes of you..
There is more than twice the troopers up here now than thirty years ago, thats fact...
Troopers are far better trained than deputies..
Troopers have better rescources to work with than deputies.
Troopers are better at their job than deputies.
Troopers have quota forfill deputies dont..
Deputies transport prisoners correctional people should be..
Deputies have too many people off at any given time.. Troopers are better staffed.
Deputies have too many chiefs and not enough indians on day shift. Troopers dont
Deputies are controlled by politics and politicans. Troopers are not..
Deputies handle about five to six times less complaints in reality than troopers do in this area.. Deputies use repeatious complaint reporting troopers dont.
Mark my word that when the next Sheriff is elected he will be Sheriff with out a road patrol by public demand.
When I went to basic police school, it was longer then the state police basic school. Deputies have at least 40 hours of training yearly, usally more.Trooper do not have a quoto, either do deputies. Trooper and Deputies work together more then you think. The gouvernor is the altament boss of the state police how much polictal is that. The deputies handle percapita as many complaints as the trooper do. Deputies have one supervisor per shift. Again this is not a trooper deputy issue like you are trying to make it. And up on retirement I will have to pay for my health insurance like I do now, and my wife doesn't own a dance studio and I don't live off her earnings, maybe you should do your research before you start your little fit. When i'm out working tonight at 2:00am and your in your bed nice and warm you might want to think of something else to complain about. Like maybe your welfare check getting hand delivered to you so you want have to walk to the mail box. (losser).
you spell like a real loser> guess that goes with the job> you will be in the woods in the morning so don't give us the hard working safety crap. I am just fine and never had need for calling the dept for help. Done the comments glad to get you going.
I couldn't wait to get home from work this morning, just wanted to see what stupid thing you had to say today. I see that you are done.That may be just a well as I need to get a couple hours sleep before I go back to work. As far as going to the woods,i'd love to but no time again I have to work two jobs to support my family and your's
How much do they pay for health care????????? 10% 20% how much upon retirement% Also The
Sheriff's Dept has to provide the basics, Jail and Civil office, We need to get back to basics.
Sheriff Deputies pay much more then the State and local police departments as well as contribute to their retirement. All that beside's working for much less and pulling twice the case load.
I found this discussion on a google search for another topic.
I am not employed in your county, but am a deputy in another county. Our politicians have tried to also say that we could be eliminated and replaced by NYSP. I am not familiar with the precise debates that you guys are having on your budgets, but its the same debate that all NYers are having.
In relation to this topic, I will point out that regardless of how many Troopers you have NOW, ultimately they answer to Albany, not your county. Cuomo could pull every single Trooper from your county and send them elsewhere and there wouldn't be a thing you could do about it. There may be X number of Troopers assigned to our county, but on any given day half of them are not physically here. I am sure the same applies to your county.
Troopers don't have a longer basic school than Deputies. Whoever posted that doesn't know what they are talking about. In my county the Troopers try to pick and choose which calls they'll take, but in the end both agencies carry part of the call-for-service volume and neither could do it without the other agency being there to help out. We also rely heavily on other state officers like En Con and Park Police for back up. I think that anyone who says that law enforcement is over-staffed has no idea how many calls for service we respond to every year.
Whoever posted the staffing numbers earlier in this discussion sounds equally uninformed. Unless you have NO inmates in your jail, there is no way the state commission of corrections would allow you to have only one corrections officer working on a shift. The state has staffing requirements based on jail population.
If your county sheriffs office allows it, I would encourage all of you to do a ride-along to see how they do their jobs.
If you choose to do away with your road patrol, I suggest that you all buy guns and plan on a 2-3 hour police response time for serious calls and being told that no police will respond to minor calls. Because that will be the reality if you have only the NYSP available to respond to YOUR call to 911.
Good luck to all of you.
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